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So, for those who have played games with me before, you might notice that Isis was a departure in a key way- I did my best not to give her any "thought bubles," which a habit I otherwise indulge in pretty heavily.

And oh GOD it was painful not to do at times :lol:

I had my reasons- mostly to do with how Isis is meant to be able to keep a secret, but also as a writing exercise to break myself out of an ingrained habit.

So, while I can't presume anyone is interested, I CAN say I can see more questions arising about her than any of my prior PbP PCs. If so, fire away!
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About the thought bubbles - God I feel that. I feel that so much. I've been trying so hard to learn how to write expressions, subtle moves, and gestures that convey emotion without giving away thoughts. It's hard! That said Isis was really fun to read and interact with.

As Isis started taking shape did she surprise you? If so in what way?

Did she accomplish everything she wanted to accomplish? Is she leaving with any regrets?

Will she return if there's a sequel?
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Sal wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:28 am
About the thought bubbles - God I feel that. I feel that so much. I've been trying so hard to learn how to write expressions, subtle moves, and gestures that convey emotion without giving away thoughts. It's hard!
The struggle is real!
As Isis started taking shape did she surprise you? If so in what way?
I knew going in that I was bad at the setting lore, and utterly rejected the vibe the book encourages ("GOO FULL-ON GONZO CRAZY! IT'S CYBERPUNK!").

So her sedate build was no shocker, and her total lack of cyberware was kind of leaning into a certain mindset. No surprises, then. Likewise, her being essentially anti-corp while not waving a flag around about it was all according to plan- and the cold way she greeted just about every come-on sent her way wasn't a surprise based on her backstory. (Ironically, of the people who hit on her, Sal might have had the best chance because he was so businesslike about it, and she appreciated that). She's... a product of her upbringing, that's for sure.

But man, at first I thought she just didn't like chrome rock, but it turns out, she just doesn't give a damn about music one way or the other- and this in a setting where musical taste can be such a neat character beat! But she just didn't care about it :lol:

Which meant until the heist came along, she had almost zero reason to interact with any of our rockerboys, which kinda put her into a silo away from some of what was going on. It's informed by her backstory, but yeah... the fact that we had nightly concerts and Isis gave zero fucks about music was... a bit of a surprise.
Did she accomplish everything she wanted to accomplish? Is she leaving with any regrets?
She NAILED her goals.

Alt Cunningham and Rache Bartmoss (although she hasn't actually pieced that part out- she just knows he's a major player who enjoys fucking with people, but sees little point in digging further) both seem reasonably pleased to know her, which are WAY bigger names than she really set out to have as contacts.

She made no deals with corpo types beyond working for station security- and she found a way to lie to them to let Miriam escape the station while still getting paid.

She also got Rat a ticket off of the station, and will have his services to call on if anyone needs a tech.

She earned over ten times as much cash as she arrived on the station with despite not being all that greedy (she took NO money from the Collector for herself at any stage).

So if anything, she overachieved in the areas she cares about.

Regrets? This may sound harsh, but it's all purely IC- she regrets that she worked with Showtime and Valentina at all. In fact, were it not for the fact that they were the only medtech and netrunner in the game, respectively, she probably would have pointedly left them out of the heist. (Which is a nice IC reason for me to OOC let the players who I have nothing but fondness for in on the game's big event/payoff)

So, to explain that particular body blow :?

Valentina is on her shitlist for dosing Alt (something Isis pieced together through the magic of her Deduction skill), who, after all, was the paymaster for the big gig and also someone Isis genuinely liked a lot. Since "Angel" was the only non-Corpo bidder Isis was aware of, taking her out clearly seemed to be doing a company job against, again, someone she actually gave a shit about. Isis' emotions here are a mixture of simple anger and disappointment- because she and Val worked well together looking for Miriam. But between Val tagging Alt and getting ever-closer with Showtime, Isis has basically washed her hands of her. She never fully trusted Val, and from where she stands, the distrust got validated as things moved on.

And Showtime... hoo. They were never really on the same page- she never liked him, and every time he opened his mouth, her dislike intensified, mostly because he kept saying and doing things that struck her as insanely sloppy, loose-lipped, and unprofessional. For example, when he insulted her at the after-party? She didn't give a shit what he thought of her (her opinion of him was so low at that stage that what he thought of her didn't matter in the slightest) but she was furious that he talked about the specifics of a prior job out loud in public. Had he jumped up on the table and said, "you are literally the worst fixer ever to draw breath!" and said nothing else, she would have shrugged it off, maybe thought something about "if you find someone else who drops an 8k job in your lap despite knowing you less than a week, let me know, I'd like to compare notes." But by outing details of a job that was between him, her, Val, and the Collector, he crossed a line.

(That said, in defense of Showtime's anger with her, she did deliberately sling a lowball offer the Collector's way, because while Showtime and Val didn't know it, she'd contracted to work with him some time before getting approached with the job, and she wasn't about to tell anyone about that because it's the kind of info that could get her strongarmed into doing shit she didn't want to do)
Will she return if there's a sequel?
I'm honestly not sure! For a couple of reasons.

1. She basically "won," to the point where, yeah, it's cyberpunk, and anyone can get dragged back in and brought down, but she really feels like she's going to turn into more of an NPC type- serving as a human agent for Rache Bartmoss whenever he sends a job her way, trusted by Alt Cunningham and ready to take on any crew-gathering or investigative job Alt sends her way... like, I just don't know where she goes from here that's much fun from a PC's point of view. She's got tons of weaknesses (especially on a physical front) but she's got a proven track record for getting together what's needed- and, as part of her backstory, the current leader of the Valentinos likes her, so she has a pretty big gang on reasonably good terms with her. If the next game takes place in Night City, she's on her home turf, with ready access to dangerous allies, an established power base- oh yeah, and Bartmoss owes her a hack. She's kinda scary.

2. She's a Fixer. Yeah, yeah, there are PC Fixers as an established part of the whole deal, but if you look at the role, and how it's set up, it's very much a support role, someone meant to haggle for team pay, make bulk gear purchases, and so on. For a PC who kept every other PC firmly at arm's distance throughout the course of the game, it's a very limiting role. She's not the designated fixer for a close-knit group of running buddies, so unless multiple people wanted to run people who work with her on a regular basis, she's kinda stuck being a middle-man for NPCs.

3. Her best friends (as far as it goes) coming out of this are NPCs, and she regards the two PCs she worked with the most unfavorably. This is not someone who forged a lot of links that leave fun unfinished baggage- this is someone who is at best, professionally cordial and reasonably friendly, not a ride or die buddy to anyone in the game.
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Valentina is on her shitlist for dosing Alt (something Isis pieced together through the magic of her Deduction skill), who, after all, was the paymaster for the big gig and also someone Isis genuinely liked a lot. Since "Angel" was the only non-Corpo bidder Isis was aware of, taking her out clearly seemed to be doing a company job against, again, someone she actually gave a shit about. Isis' emotions here are a mixture of simple anger and disappointment- because she and Val worked well together looking for Miriam. But between Val tagging Alt and getting ever-closer with Showtime, Isis has basically washed her hands of her. She never fully trusted Val, and from where she stands, the distrust got validated as things moved on.
A fair assessment for Isis, although it could have been avoided with more communication earlier, or resolved with some after the fact. For a fixer, Isis kept a lot close to her chest and that probably harmed her relations with some. On the other hand, it fit her character and she was very guarded. I do have some thoughts on their working relationship that I hope you don't mind me sharing.

Valentina believed that Angel was working for a corporation and she took a job for another corporation. She doesn't know Angel is Alt or working for Alt. She also applied a common in use street drug, not anything lethal or overly dangerous, but she did get the dosage wrong when exchanging the applicator for a slap patch. The intention had been to get Angel high so she didn't compete in the auction well, not to knock her unconscious. I'm not sure if Valentina would even know after the fact that Angel is non-corpo. I'm kind of surprised Isis didn't ask her about or, or that her focus isn't on the person that hired Valentina since they're much more to blame. If she hadn't taken the job, someone else would have. Valentina didn't betray Isis or go against her interests - Isis had only mentioned Angel to Valentina once and described her as a conversation partner, not someone she was working for or wanted to safeguard.

That said, for someone who didn't trust Valentina, Isis did a lot and didn't communicate a lot. One part of that was effectively a backstab. E.g. She didn't actively try to sell the data that Showtime got, as she was already working for the Collector and she never disclosed that. Aside from that, she never revealed any information that might have helped Valentina make other choices e.g. Who Claus worked for (which would have been interesting given who Showtime was getting some of the data for), that Miriam was in touch with and protected by Angel, nor find any contacts or bodyguard needing patrons for Valentina. Valentina would have been easy to steer if she'd engaged with her more.

As for Valentina, being unaware of all the above, she does sense Isis wasn't too forthcoming (as Isis conveyed the job from Angel to retrieve the girl, whereas earlier she'd said she barely knew her) and thinks that her skills as a fixer were disappointing (due to the lack of pay for the main data -> in the end, she got a lot more money working with Showtime and making contacts herself). Valentina is anti-corp too and they never talked about that topic, which is a shame. She also always put Isis' safety high up in her priority list and was very forthcoming with information. That was never reciprocated and she would suspect (probably wrongly) that Isis got a much bigger pay day for the heist job than any of the participants. She accepted that job less for the money and more as she also didn't like the idea of a young girl being property that's experimented on. That was quite personal for her. Anyhow, in summary, Valentina will feel Isis didn't act in good faith as a business partner, and I think that's justified with what happened and what Isis chose not to say. There's a certain irony there that Isis wanted to find people she could trust but, for one of them at least, she ended up mistrusting them because she didn't trust them with any information. They probably won't have to see each other for a good long while IC however, as Valentina will be off acting as Sal's bodyguard for at least a year.

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With that all out of the way, thanks for the threads. It was nice to see a vanilla person going around and using smarts and human empathy to pull things off rather than chrome or a big gun. Isis definitely left her mark.
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Yeah, this is at least the second time someone's gone, "she could have shared more info!" :lol:

And from an OOC perspective, I can see that making things run smoother, but think of it from an in-character perspective- if Isis deals in information, if it's literally the only edge she usually has on anyone, then sharing it out is really not something she's going to do.

tl;dr: She was never going to volunteer information without some expectation of gain, even if it was simply to burn an enemy or cover her own tracks.


More to the point, knowing everyone involved less than a week-

1. Part of the low-ball to Bartmoss was not tipping her hand about the heist job she already knew about at that point. While it turns out setting it up was actually why he hired her, she didn't figure that out until later, because she was too busy getting the crew together. But telling any of that to anyone would have left her pretty damn vulnerable in a way Isis Does Not Do. She figured she was about to piss him off but good, and before burning that bridge, she wanted to be ready. It turned out to be unnecessary, because, again, that was her job, but she didn't figure that out until she'd had a breather. Besides which...

2. Angel set up the heist before Isis went to the Collector with the bid.... and Angel already knew the list. Which meant the info was already out there, and that therefore, Showtime had lied about the exclusivity of the data. His later confirming that in the in-character PM exchange actually made her ANGRIER :lol: Not least because if she'd been selling for real, Angel would have been her first choice, not that she told anyone that, but... who was the only bidder she ever talked to?

3. She wasn't lying when she told Val she barely knew Angel/Alt. But she barely knew anyone. She was a bit less guarded with Rat (because he was so young, and any risk he posed was pretty straightforward). Why did she trust Angel/Alt then? Because of Miriam, mostly. She was helping Miriam off of the station, worried about her well-being, and still honored the deal after Miriam had been fucked over. That counts for a lot. The thing is, she figured Val had figured that out too :lol:

4. Jorsalfar would have made a GREAT contact, but while she worked with Claus and figured that connection out (R.I.P. Claus :( ), his one interaction with her was trying to set up a meeting with Angel... who Isis could reach, and who did trust her, sure, but she couldn't just snap her fingers and make the meeting happen.Especially not for a Company man :lol: In good political/detective fashion, neither she nor Jor was sure of the other, and both therefore played a close hand. Which meant they didn't meaningfully cooperate on anything. Which is ironic, given what I know of Tobias' backstory...
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1. Perhaps, but neither Showtime or Tina knew about any of that and they were expecting higher - and it would have been worth more. Not even seeking a better offer for it was a lack of good faith in their minds.

2. Showtime wasn't lying. Angel/Alt knew about the list as she retrieved it with him. I think he did bring that up briefly...?

3. Tina has no idea that Miriam was screwed over. She thinks Miriam was hiding in the tunnels and happened to get found and attacked by scavvers. OOC I thought that too. I dunno what this screwed over bit actually is, cause wasn't she working for Angel...?

4. There was a lot of not meaningfully cooperating. It's just not ideal for a fixer that :P Isis would benefit from giving trust to earn it. Tina ended up trusting Showtime more and he lived up to his promises. She also found out a lot more knowing him than knowing Isis, as he was forthcoming, and he helped her out and so she helped him out. It was a good business relationship. Just a shame that he's not as level headed as Isis, which is what appealed to Tina initially.

C'est la vie.
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Valentina wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:31 pm
1. Perhaps, but neither Showtime or Tina knew about any of that and they were expecting higher - and it would have been worth more. Not even seeking a better offer for it was a lack of good faith in their minds.
They don't know that she didn't, though :lol:
2. Showtime wasn't lying. Angel/Alt knew about the list as she retrieved it with him. I think he did bring that up briefly...?
Only later, when he was bitching about the take ;) Isis heard nothing about her involvement in the hack until then.
3. Tina has no idea that Miriam was screwed over. She thinks Miriam was hiding in the tunnels and happened to get found and attacked by scavvers. OOC I thought that too. I dunno what this screwed over bit actually is, cause wasn't she working for Angel...?
Miriam was trying to get off the station with Alt's help, and got jumped by scavvers. The "screwed over" is missing her pickup and being on the chopping block- had Alt/Angel's interest been purely business, she would have cut Miriam loose as damaged goods. She didn't. That's what impressed Isis.
4. There was a lot of not meaningfully cooperating. It's just not ideal for a fixer that :P Isis would benefit from giving trust to earn it. Tina ended up trusting Showtime more and he lived up to his promises. She also found out a lot more knowing him than knowing Isis, as he was forthcoming, and he helped her out and so she helped him out. It was a good business relationship. Just a shame that he's not as level headed as Isis, which is what appealed to Tina initially.
Which is why Isis wouldn't trust him with the address of the damn security office or the secret of what color the sky was that day :lol:

The way Isis saw it, she was showing trust every time she approached anybody about a job or her concerns about Miriam. That was sticking her neck out quite a bit, from where she stood. It was also as openly anti-corp as she was going to get in a conversation with a relative stranger.
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Another game another character I really enjoyed having scenes with. Sorry I left a few (most) of them hanging I can be really terrible about that.

I definitely get why Isis might not reprise she accomplished a lot!

Do you think she will be doing business with Jean once they are back in the city?
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Jean Toussaint wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:17 am
Do you think she will be doing business with Jean once they are back in the city?
Oh yeah.

She'll be amused to find out he and Magenta have made it semi-official, of course, and if she finds out he told her about the job, she'll be exasperated to say the least (and compartmentalize anything she tells him in future to account for his pillow talk), but he basically did his job without fuss or bother.

She also enjoyed talking to him on a purely conversational level, so if he just wants to swing by the Blue Crow and hang out during her "office hours," she'd be cool with that.
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Isis Marlowe wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:34 am

She'll be amused to find out he and Magenta have made it semi-official, of course, and if she finds out he told her about the job, she'll be exasperated to say the least (and compartmentalize anything she tells him in future to account for his pillow talk), but he basically did his job without fuss or bother.

She also enjoyed talking to him on a purely conversational level, so if he just wants to swing by the Blue Crow and hang out during her "office hours," she'd be cool with that.
The first will likely be brought up, though Isis would really have to get the drop on him and pry to get him to admit he told Shannon about the job. She's his one exception to his professional code and only if the thing will affect her.

And he will certainly drop in to annoy her from time to time.
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Isis Marlowe wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:37 am
(Ironically, of the people who hit on her, Sal might have had the best chance because he was so businesslike about it, and she appreciated that)
Ngl, that was fun. He did assume though that she just wasn't interested :lol:
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Sal wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:11 pm
Isis Marlowe wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:37 am
(Ironically, of the people who hit on her, Sal might have had the best chance because he was so businesslike about it, and she appreciated that)
Ngl, that was fun. He did assume though that she just wasn't interested :lol:
In the short term, she really wasn't- she's a very, very careful person- her backstory features her (homeless) family being murdered by gangers when she was... around six, maybe younger, living rough with some other street kids for a bit, getting "rescued" by a cop who was actually grooming her (but sharp observer of huamnity that she is, she figured it out and bailed), running as a go-between and investigator for various gangs as she was coming up, her first crew after skating on the groomer getting themselves killed taking dumb chances....

Isis Marlowe wasn't out to run undue risks of any sort- least of all for short-term gratification :lol:
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